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host: the estate tax or the capital gains tax? guest: the estate tax. host: if it's an asset, you pay capital gains. guest: right. host: we have this comment on twitter from james. guest: corporations would say the businesses are already being taxed. folk should not be taxed for investing in their business. host: double taxation. guest: that is the argument. when people die, they are being taxed again. that is the essence of the argument against the estate tax. host: can you start over? caller: a quick question about the comments of the 401(k). i used to work for a cpa firm. i understand they are income tax deferred instruments. when you take it out, the tax you pay is income tax. the assumption is the rate would be lower. let's say the rate is 25% when you retire. that is higher than the current cap gains tax rate. it does not apply to 401(k)'s or any other income tax deferred instrument. when you take them out, you pay taxes on them. guest: that is correct. you pay income tax and presumably when you retire, you are at a lower tax rate and that is the
host: the estate tax or the capital gains tax? guest: the estate tax. host: if it's an asset, you pay capital gains. guest: right. host: we have this comment on twitter from james. guest: corporations would say the businesses are already being taxed. folk should not be taxed for investing in their business. host: double taxation. guest: that is the argument. when people die, they are being taxed again. that is the essence of the argument against the estate tax. host: can you start over? caller:...
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pays a lot of money in payroll taxes and sales taxes and state and local taxes and property taxes. it adds up even if they're not paying income tax. host: how would you compare the current talks to july 2011 and the debt limit, fiscal cliff, sequestration -- guest: the debt limit talks definitely set the stage for this. they were not completely without value. i get the sense it is a lot more serious now. it has almost been like a year- and-a-half long negotiation. with the real deadline being the expiration of the bush tax cuts at the end of this year. to some extent, now they're getting to the real deadline and it is more serious. host: have you written one of the, if we go over the cliff, this is what happens-type article? guest: yes. people would probably start feeling it in their paychecks pretty quickly. never mind what it means to the broader economy. it will hit. it will hurt a lot of people. if we did not change the law and it went one month, two months, three months, it could lead to another recession because there be such a sharp drop in people's incomes and it would be s
pays a lot of money in payroll taxes and sales taxes and state and local taxes and property taxes. it adds up even if they're not paying income tax. host: how would you compare the current talks to july 2011 and the debt limit, fiscal cliff, sequestration -- guest: the debt limit talks definitely set the stage for this. they were not completely without value. i get the sense it is a lot more serious now. it has almost been like a year- and-a-half long negotiation. with the real deadline being...
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pays a lot of money in payroll taxes and sales taxes and state and local taxes and property taxes. it adds up even if they're not paying income tax. host: how would you compare the current talks to july 2011 and the debt limit, fiscal cliff, sequestration -- guest: the debt limit talks definitely set the stage for this. they were not completely without value. i get the sense it is a lot more serious now. it has almost been like a year- and-a-half long negotiation. with the real deadline being the expiration of the bush tax cuts at the end of this year. to some extent, now they're getting to the real deadline and it is more serious. host: have you written one of the, if we go over the cliff, this is what happens-type article? guest: yes. people would probably start feeling it in their paychecks pretty quickly. never mind what it means to the broader economy. it will hit. it will hurt a lot of people. if we did not change the law and it went one month, two months, three months, it could lead to another recession because there be such a sharp drop in people's incomes and it would be s
pays a lot of money in payroll taxes and sales taxes and state and local taxes and property taxes. it adds up even if they're not paying income tax. host: how would you compare the current talks to july 2011 and the debt limit, fiscal cliff, sequestration -- guest: the debt limit talks definitely set the stage for this. they were not completely without value. i get the sense it is a lot more serious now. it has almost been like a year- and-a-half long negotiation. with the real deadline being...
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as i just indicated, it includes a $2 trillion tax increase over ten years, the biggest real-dollar tax increase in u.s. history. it increases taxes on nearly one million small businesses in the middle of a jobs crisis. according to ernst & young, this type of rate hike would cause more than 700,000 americans to lose their jobs. it raises taxes on investment income, harming economic growth even more. it includes tens of billions of dollars in more washington spending in a deal supposedly to cut the deficit. and most outrageous of all, it gives the president of the united states unilateral power to raise the limit on the federal credit card, the so-called debt ceiling, whenever he wants or as much as he wants. and while i'm flattered the administration has taken to calling this the -- quote -- "mcconnell provision" they seemed to have forgotten how this worked in the budget control act. we gave the president the authority then to request a debt ceiling increase, but that was only after the white house agreed to $2 trillion in cuts to washington spending and agreed to be bound by the timi
as i just indicated, it includes a $2 trillion tax increase over ten years, the biggest real-dollar tax increase in u.s. history. it increases taxes on nearly one million small businesses in the middle of a jobs crisis. according to ernst & young, this type of rate hike would cause more than 700,000 americans to lose their jobs. it raises taxes on investment income, harming economic growth even more. it includes tens of billions of dollars in more washington spending in a deal supposedly to...
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tax. it's generally seen by economists as less damaging than an income tax, it's also more regress i, meaning because it's basically like a sales tax and can be applied to things like food, it will hit lower income people more than upper income people, that's why a lot of democrats don't want to adopt it, even though it's a good way to raise a lot of revenue and crow ating the social welfare state. host: if you had to propredict what's going to happen between now and the end of the year, what would you say? guest: i have a feeling they're very close. host: but congress went home yesterday. guest: the people who matter are here. the aides to boehner and obama are here. they're still working. there are times when even this week thail get frustrated -- they'll get frustrated and stop talking to each other, so i'm not sure if they're talking to each other today or not. but obama said he thinks this could be done in a week and enge he's right. host: there's a feeling about that on the hill? gue
tax. it's generally seen by economists as less damaging than an income tax, it's also more regress i, meaning because it's basically like a sales tax and can be applied to things like food, it will hit lower income people more than upper income people, that's why a lot of democrats don't want to adopt it, even though it's a good way to raise a lot of revenue and crow ating the social welfare state. host: if you had to propredict what's going to happen between now and the end of the year, what...
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keep the employee payroll tax at 4.2% next year. to keep the economy growing -- there is good evidence of that in the last couple of months? job growth of about 511,000. to keep that momentum going, we should alwaprovide tax credits o small businesses. my legislation includes such an incentive for small businesses to grow. i am confident that congress will again be successful in reaching a compromise in the days ahead. i look forward to hearing today from the experts that we have before us today on how to reduce the deficit while protecting middle income families. as we enter the holiday season,
keep the employee payroll tax at 4.2% next year. to keep the economy growing -- there is good evidence of that in the last couple of months? job growth of about 511,000. to keep that momentum going, we should alwaprovide tax credits o small businesses. my legislation includes such an incentive for small businesses to grow. i am confident that congress will again be successful in reaching a compromise in the days ahead. i look forward to hearing today from the experts that we have before us...
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up in the estate tax goes up. basically, we could be looking at a private stimulus package happening. >> you are talking about transferring 25 million-dollar houses from one rich person to another, right? >> you are buying stuff back and forth. the parents to give that to their kids. the estate tax is 35% on everything over $5 million and agosta 55%. anything over $1 million. it is horrible. melissa: dennis needs a break after running the 12 flights of stairs. this time this item is for christmas. this starbucks card will set you back $450. the card itself costs $50, then the card itself is $450 for the gift card. you cannot buy them at the store coming have to give them from gil.com. >> of i spent $450, it will be almost a full pair of christian louis vuitton shoes. i'm not sure they are seen holding this card. >> a person is going to say my gold card -- what happens if you violate 10 cups of coffee, do you geta gold card membership? >> the highest profit margin will be on the copy. how much is that slipups stain
up in the estate tax goes up. basically, we could be looking at a private stimulus package happening. >> you are talking about transferring 25 million-dollar houses from one rich person to another, right? >> you are buying stuff back and forth. the parents to give that to their kids. the estate tax is 35% on everything over $5 million and agosta 55%. anything over $1 million. it is horrible. melissa: dennis needs a break after running the 12 flights of stairs. this time this item is...
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his taxes. if we don't do that, the problem is pressure is on spending even more. i think we need to make the defense cuts. we want to minimize human services cuts. the best way to do that is go back to clinton era taxes. i actually have mixed feelings about striking a deal where the rich folks pay more taxes. i think they should pay more taxes, but i actually think going off clithe cliff is a bet solution than just charging people who make a lot of money what they were paying when bill clinton was president. >> the clinton tax rates worked well, and when you look at where we really are today, although the democrats are playing really tough on these top tax rates, they have conceded about 75% of the tax debate to republicans by agreeing with them on all of the otherç rates. >> that is true, aalthough there is a matter of timing. you know, i think part of what you have to look at here is it's really hrepublicans who force this conversation about having deficit reduction right now. we shouldn't
his taxes. if we don't do that, the problem is pressure is on spending even more. i think we need to make the defense cuts. we want to minimize human services cuts. the best way to do that is go back to clinton era taxes. i actually have mixed feelings about striking a deal where the rich folks pay more taxes. i think they should pay more taxes, but i actually think going off clithe cliff is a bet solution than just charging people who make a lot of money what they were paying when bill clinton...
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tax. today this tax -- also known as the estate tax -- is set up at a top rate of 35%, with an exception for the first $5.1 million of the estate's value. well, those are the levels that congress set and the president agreed to in 2010. a republican house of representatives, democrat senate, as well as the president -- democrat in the white house. 2010. those are th levels are now setp dramatically to a top rate of 55% with an compe exemption fort the first $1 million. $1 million as you understands like a lot of money -- $1 million sounds like a lot of money until you start looking at family farms. farmers have a lot of assets such as land, buildings and livestock. those things are worth a lot of money for purposes of calculating the value of someone's estate. but they aren't liquid assets. you can't just spend a tractor. once a mom or dad dies in the farm family, the i.r.s. wants the death tax paid within nine months. the taxes collected -- though it is calculated on the big valuations fo
tax. today this tax -- also known as the estate tax -- is set up at a top rate of 35%, with an exception for the first $5.1 million of the estate's value. well, those are the levels that congress set and the president agreed to in 2010. a republican house of representatives, democrat senate, as well as the president -- democrat in the white house. 2010. those are th levels are now setp dramatically to a top rate of 55% with an compe exemption fort the first $1 million. $1 million as you...
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avoidance if it looks like tax avoidance and it smells like tax avoidance is tax avoidance we can have a broad principle that rules out because otherwise what the companies one they want this thing called a regulation which is just another way where they can hire expensive accountants to get around the law and then siphon the money off the head or indeed there in here and there we don't want that we need just have a one very simple rule that says tax avoidance no way no in this country and yeah i'd also like come down on tax havens as well internationally that's really important so we don't have a race to the bottom so corporations think they can go wherever they like basically right now in the case of starbucks of course the boycott is a very potent weapon because it's a retail company. it's not an institutional business to business massive computer company let's say like an i.b.m. or something starbucks is directly with the public so a boycott really cuts into their revenues and for that reason it can be a very effective means to get the company's attention have you given any thought
avoidance if it looks like tax avoidance and it smells like tax avoidance is tax avoidance we can have a broad principle that rules out because otherwise what the companies one they want this thing called a regulation which is just another way where they can hire expensive accountants to get around the law and then siphon the money off the head or indeed there in here and there we don't want that we need just have a one very simple rule that says tax avoidance no way no in this country and yeah...
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you want to talk about paying taxes and your fair share? they're a tax-exempt 501c5 organization. where is ed asner's rage about their escaping and evading their fair share of taxes? i don't hear it. also, let's have a balance. if they're going to show this in the california classrooms, how about an eight-minute video narrated by clint eastwood or my favorite right thinking actor adam baldwin that exposes the truth about occupy and the teachers alliance? they have to make up this urinating image? well, you've got occupiers who have been pooping on police cars. show that to the school kids. >> sean: well said. michelle malkin. great points. thank you for being with us. >> you bet, take care. >>> >> sean: coming up next, liz cheney on the breaking news out of syria. the government stands ready to use sarin nerve gas on its own people. a senior firm confirmed this to fox news. >>> women in egypt are fearing for their lives as sex mobs are preying on the public. the situation is getting dispratt. where is the outrage and the support from the feminists who screamed about the so-called
you want to talk about paying taxes and your fair share? they're a tax-exempt 501c5 organization. where is ed asner's rage about their escaping and evading their fair share of taxes? i don't hear it. also, let's have a balance. if they're going to show this in the california classrooms, how about an eight-minute video narrated by clint eastwood or my favorite right thinking actor adam baldwin that exposes the truth about occupy and the teachers alliance? they have to make up this urinating...
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why is the flat tax that are? >> we have to remember that our income tax system serves two purposes. one is to fund the operations of government. the other is to communicate to the voters the true coot of government. our current system performs the first function poorly because it produces a volatile inconsistent system. it deceives some americans into thinking that the government cost little or nothing. in fact, they pay for higher taxes on other brackets. it is paid for in terms of increased prices of goods and services and through unemployment and diminished wages. charles: i agree with you, once again. changing pace a little bit, monday night, representative john boehner asked several members of the tea party, the tea party getting a tremendous amount of negative press. a lot of people saying that if they are done, let's stick a fork in him. what would you say to those people? >> the fact is that this grassroots political movement that started in 2009 is not going anywhere. it has become a part of what the rep
why is the flat tax that are? >> we have to remember that our income tax system serves two purposes. one is to fund the operations of government. the other is to communicate to the voters the true coot of government. our current system performs the first function poorly because it produces a volatile inconsistent system. it deceives some americans into thinking that the government cost little or nothing. in fact, they pay for higher taxes on other brackets. it is paid for in terms of...
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why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on success. it's an attack on capital itch. it's also an attack on good taste, although we didn't show the most vulgar part. where does a successful actor like this get off saying this kind of thing? what does he know about capitalism anyway as he makes his bucks, and by the way, this entire cartoon was sponsored by the teachers union. what a shocking surprise there. they, too, higher taxes on the rich, knock down free market capitalism, go up against free enterprise. you know, when is this left wing stuff going to end? i guess the answer is n
why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on...
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you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well, i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously, the lowering would have to be done with closing loot of the loopholes that corporations take advantage of. 26 major corporations last year paid no federal income tax at all. so that nonsense has to be done away with. but substantively, many economists think it is a good idea to lower the corporate tax rate. politically, i think it further hems the republicans in. i think it gives obama even higher political ground than he has now. he already has political high ground. he already has a strong position. he may not even have to do this politically. but i think that this would s
you said he should propose lowering the corporate tax rate from 35% to 30%. what's your rationale behind that? >> well, i have rationales both substantive and political. substantive, i think it is the right thing to do. i've spoken to a lot of economists about this over the years. even many liberal economists would agree that the corporate tax rate of 35% in this country is too high. it is higher than in most other -- i think every other advanced country. now it has to be done, obviously,...
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the current payroll tax cut is set to expire december 31st. in dollars and cents this means your payroll tax withholding is going from 4.2% to 6.2%. now why is this happening? many of the policies expiring at the end of the year like the payroll tax cut and emergency unemployment benefits were originally passed on a temporary basis. the thinking was that the economy would be in much better shape by now and the policies could expire without causing a recession. >> you can learn more any time at www.wusa9.com and on 9 news. this has been a 9 news fiscal cliff note. >>> sources tell the associated press president obama will ask the congress for $50 billion in the aftermath of superstorm sandy. now the late october storm was one of the worst to ever hit the northeast section of the country and out in crisfield, maryland, along the eastern shore there's plenty of debris out there. homeowners are still working to repair damage and waiting for any form of federal aid they can get. >>> one maryland community wants to take major action against a plant.
the current payroll tax cut is set to expire december 31st. in dollars and cents this means your payroll tax withholding is going from 4.2% to 6.2%. now why is this happening? many of the policies expiring at the end of the year like the payroll tax cut and emergency unemployment benefits were originally passed on a temporary basis. the thinking was that the economy would be in much better shape by now and the policies could expire without causing a recession. >> you can learn more any...
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basically i pay taxes. you pay taxes. melissa: ex on pays taxes? >> exxon does not pay their fair share. they get tax breaks written to the law by highly paid lobbyists and supported by many congresspeople who they give millions of dollars too every year in election campaigns. melissa: but you still said tax breaks. that is their money that they're hanging on to. it is not money they're getting back from congress. it is their money!. >> it is money that everyone else has to pay. you know, they get special tax break for, for instance if they want to make a project internationally, they have a special government-backed loan program at the u.s. export-import bank. last year that program alone provided $10.4 billion in fossil fuels. melissa: can i ask you would be be better like my children and wont out like the navy and spent $26 a gallon on biofuels or like the air force which is spending $59 a gallon. would that be better for my children if we were all doing that? i don't like the navy and air force doing that. i think that is bad for my children's
basically i pay taxes. you pay taxes. melissa: ex on pays taxes? >> exxon does not pay their fair share. they get tax breaks written to the law by highly paid lobbyists and supported by many congresspeople who they give millions of dollars too every year in election campaigns. melissa: but you still said tax breaks. that is their money that they're hanging on to. it is not money they're getting back from congress. it is their money!. >> it is money that everyone else has to pay. you...
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the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social security thing. >> eric: obama in october of 2008 before he was president obama. season. >> the way bush has done it, over the last eight years is to take out a credit cardback of china in the game of the children, driving up the national debt. that is irresponsible and unpatriotic. >> eric: unpatriotic. $5 trillion in debt. president obama will add ten, 11, 12 trillion in debt. when he is done with this. >> for years, president obama running when he was senator, running for president always said that the bush tax cuts were only for the rich and only benefit the rich. now he says that the republicans ar
the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social...
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what's going to be certain is taxes are going up. either we go off the cliff or the curb and then taxes rise for everybody and then maybe they get repealed for the middle class and others or we reach a deal and taxes go up for the wealthiest 2% and everybody else breathes a sigh of relief. there's some $2 trillion in cash sitting on the balance sheets of corporate america waiting to be put to work. the reason it hasn't been put to work is because of uncertainty. taxes are going to go up, the deficit is going to be reduced, some of that money is going to be released. just like ed schultz said, this is all very good news for the american economy. >> so basically the uncertainty is what's providing the certainty moving forward because people across the country will look at this and the hand wringing that's taking place in washington, d.c. back and forth. the framework that could come out of this could mean a much better booming economy? >> i think so. what's been holding back the 2d trillion on the sidelines is corporate ceos didn't kno
what's going to be certain is taxes are going up. either we go off the cliff or the curb and then taxes rise for everybody and then maybe they get repealed for the middle class and others or we reach a deal and taxes go up for the wealthiest 2% and everybody else breathes a sigh of relief. there's some $2 trillion in cash sitting on the balance sheets of corporate america waiting to be put to work. the reason it hasn't been put to work is because of uncertainty. taxes are going to go up, the...
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florence mar, tax director of the office of treasurer tax collectors. we'd like to thank supervisor campos for sponsoring this ordinance. it follows the efforts of former supervisor montgomery gold rick, alioto-pier, [speaker not understood], enforcing the san francisco parking tax. as background, parking tax has been in effect over 40 years. rent tax paid for parking, the operator collects the tax from the occupant, holds it in trust and remits it to the city on a monthly basis. it is a significant and growing revenue source for the city generating over $70 million annually. most of the tax is appropriated by board and to mta. the three components that i'll mention briefly here relate to parking bond, administrative citations, and the government agencies. parking bonds are required of operators to protect the city's interests and provide security for the taxes that the operator remits to the city. the legislation expands to a level of the bonding required of parking operators from 7 to 18. and this is in response to industry requests for smaller bands
florence mar, tax director of the office of treasurer tax collectors. we'd like to thank supervisor campos for sponsoring this ordinance. it follows the efforts of former supervisor montgomery gold rick, alioto-pier, [speaker not understood], enforcing the san francisco parking tax. as background, parking tax has been in effect over 40 years. rent tax paid for parking, the operator collects the tax from the occupant, holds it in trust and remits it to the city on a monthly basis. it is a...
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i myself like a flat tax or a fair tax. just not this tax nest we have right now. i say set three different rates. as you go up the income ladder there are fewer writeoffs and more pro -- progressive. commit to doing all of this. sign in your own blood. you are out, you are fired on the spot. your word will be your bond. you don't honor it, your fan knee will be out the door. politicians, what i am telling you is stop acting -- start acting like a super hero. start thinking about the citizens of got them and -- gothem and america who counts on you. the red phone is ringing. >> i regret to say, sir, batman and robin are not at present available. >> what? surely you must be jesting. >> uh lass, sir, i am not. batman is enjoying one of his infrequent vacations. >> do you want to let america and the world down? that's not what super heros do. that's not what i'm going to do. i am putting my perm -- personal life aside to destroy your personal life. we have financial super hero and it looks like batman can't keep us from going off the edge the way these guys are going.
i myself like a flat tax or a fair tax. just not this tax nest we have right now. i say set three different rates. as you go up the income ladder there are fewer writeoffs and more pro -- progressive. commit to doing all of this. sign in your own blood. you are out, you are fired on the spot. your word will be your bond. you don't honor it, your fan knee will be out the door. politicians, what i am telling you is stop acting -- start acting like a super hero. start thinking about the citizens...
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gerri: income tax. >> a payroll tax strictly. it's added to the medicare tax that's taken out, makes a small stop in the trust fund, and funds another program that the president likes. this is the problem. the president is not hoonest with us or the american people. he tells you he loves you and wants to take care of you, but the fact of the matter is, he's going to raise your taxes to a level that, in fact, it's going to kill economic activity in the country. how do we know? look what's happening. on your crawl on the television, dividends paid before december 31st, and why? that behavior's driven by changes in the tax code that are existing law. he's counting on people not paying attention to that. it's the holidays, that's right. they are preparing for christmas, but they have to be worried # about the tax code. gerri: a tax revolt. you'll get more of the same if december 31st passing and nobody does anything. i think everybody's right up to here with what's going on, and you are so nice to talk to us about it. really apprecia
gerri: income tax. >> a payroll tax strictly. it's added to the medicare tax that's taken out, makes a small stop in the trust fund, and funds another program that the president likes. this is the problem. the president is not hoonest with us or the american people. he tells you he loves you and wants to take care of you, but the fact of the matter is, he's going to raise your taxes to a level that, in fact, it's going to kill economic activity in the country. how do we know? look what's...
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a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax increases next year. >> so, john boehner, the speaker for the republican party in
a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess...
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no to taxes. do you any any republicans sent to congress to facilitate the president spending to us oblivion? they no. or they will be sent home. >> president feels like he was elected on a campaign where he mentioned on the stump many times, raising tax rates. >> i understand that. >> but under our system the congress writes the law and president enforces them. if they don't go along with the law that the president wants it won't become the law. then we won't let him borrow more and he can't spend more than what the treasury collects. it's forced to reduce spen spending. that is the only way to get the house in order. >> over the cliff. >> over the cliff. >> juan? >> i hope not. i don't think it's good for most of america. it could be damage for economy struggling to recover. takes us further down the road for what i think is the news of the day. argument over the debt ceiling today. that is one point of the republican lench in the dole. some machiavellian misstep made. he wanted the democrats to
no to taxes. do you any any republicans sent to congress to facilitate the president spending to us oblivion? they no. or they will be sent home. >> president feels like he was elected on a campaign where he mentioned on the stump many times, raising tax rates. >> i understand that. >> but under our system the congress writes the law and president enforces them. if they don't go along with the law that the president wants it won't become the law. then we won't let him borrow...
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these taxes the president wants. if begive him all tax increases it pays for 8 and a half days of government. it doesn't do anything for middle class it will destroy middle class job creation. the more we tell people that the stronger we will be in being able to negotiate a solution moving forward. >> bill: handicap it real quick, is it going to happen or go into january with chaos? >> at a minimum what i hope is that we'll be able to do something here that avoids this fiscal cliff which is a creation of congress. it's a bipartisan creation. this fiscal cliff is the result of the last fiscal cliff. >> bill: that put a date on there. >> yeah. >> bill: may extend the date that's what i think is going to happen. >> my hope is is that we can avoid the bad stuff. then we have to deal with the 16 trillion-dollar debt that $1 trillion a year in deficit spending. we have to solve that. that thing is not going to solve itself. >> bill: doesn't feel like the president feels the urgency that you feel. you are one of the leaders
these taxes the president wants. if begive him all tax increases it pays for 8 and a half days of government. it doesn't do anything for middle class it will destroy middle class job creation. the more we tell people that the stronger we will be in being able to negotiate a solution moving forward. >> bill: handicap it real quick, is it going to happen or go into january with chaos? >> at a minimum what i hope is that we'll be able to do something here that avoids this fiscal cliff...
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tax reform. each should be made permanent or fazed out based on that review, but realistically, the congress will not make those decisions before the end of this year. tax reform will take the better part of a year to accomplish or perhaps even longer. we will need to pass an extenders bill before then, and we have one before us today that is worthy of being passed. a third reason we should pass the tax extenders package now and not wait until the 11th hour is that waiting could force the i.r.s. to delay the tax filing season by ten weeks or more for millions of americans. in fact, we are at the 11th hour. i should amend my comments to make that point very clear. this need for the i.r.s. to delay the tax filing season is because the bill extends many provisions that expired at the end of 2011. they need to be extended for 2012 before people file their tax returns beginning in january of 2013. after congress acts, if it acts, the i.r.s. needs weeks to finalize tax forms and instruction books and t
tax reform. each should be made permanent or fazed out based on that review, but realistically, the congress will not make those decisions before the end of this year. tax reform will take the better part of a year to accomplish or perhaps even longer. we will need to pass an extenders bill before then, and we have one before us today that is worthy of being passed. a third reason we should pass the tax extenders package now and not wait until the 11th hour is that waiting could force the...
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nobody even knew what the alternative minimum tax was 8, 9 years ago. now more and more americans, millions are susceptible to it. if you have to patch it for another year, i would hope to get a final solution to that situation very, very shortly because we cannot have that anxiety hanging over folks as they go to pay their taxes in february and march of next year. >> absolutely. another issue, i guess, that is seen as a complication but one that must be addressed the president says, the debt ceiling. i want to play what senator mcconnell has said regarding the president and the portion of his proposal that included the debt ceiling. let's play it. >> the last person who should have limitless borrowing power. look, the only way we cut spending around here is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it. >> i bet you don't agree with that? >> i don't agree with that. we've seen what happens. we've been brought to the brink and don't want to go back to 1995 when the folks walked out and government was shut down. what did we accomplish? i think even mr
nobody even knew what the alternative minimum tax was 8, 9 years ago. now more and more americans, millions are susceptible to it. if you have to patch it for another year, i would hope to get a final solution to that situation very, very shortly because we cannot have that anxiety hanging over folks as they go to pay their taxes in february and march of next year. >> absolutely. another issue, i guess, that is seen as a complication but one that must be addressed the president says, the...
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republican leadership remains committed to extending the bush tax cuts for all a tax bracket. brainer offer his response to the president. in an interview with julianna goldman of bloomberg news obama called the boehner plan quote out of balance. >> i think that we have the potential of getting a deal done, but it's going to require what i talked about during the campaign which is a balanced responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses certainty and make sure that the country grows. and unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks for example about $800 billion worth of revenues but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> rose: and here is the president talking about why it's essential for him that there be tax increases for the most wealthy among us. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the
republican leadership remains committed to extending the bush tax cuts for all a tax bracket. brainer offer his response to the president. in an interview with julianna goldman of bloomberg news obama called the boehner plan quote out of balance. >> i think that we have the potential of getting a deal done, but it's going to require what i talked about during the campaign which is a balanced responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses certainty and make sure...
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an obsess to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. >> for mr. cantor this is an obsession, but for one conservative commentator who appeared on this broadcast yesterday, it's even worse. >> president obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a dirty little secret, their own fetish that republicans just don't like to hear ventilated in public. according to the congressional budget office in the years since 1979 as federal taxation has become less progressive, the income of the top 1% has grown by over
an obsess to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. >> for mr. cantor this is an obsession, but for one conservative commentator who appeared on this broadcast yesterday, it's even worse. >> president obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a...
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largest tax cut company in the world. australia had a really strong tax season. a loss of $0.39 a share. they do typically take a loss in this particular quarter because it is not the most busy time for doing taxes. they said they are very optimistic heading into the tax season. this stock looking pretty good. up 3.5%, up 10% for the year. connell: thank you very much. dagen: they were in love and then they weren't, with apple. they have gone gold, investors. for good. connell: cheryl and dennis are coming up to take over coverage with the latest on apple and whether investors have already seen their best days with the stock. i don't know. we will be right back. ♪ mac i am cheryl casone. dennis: i am dennis kneale. apple shares are higher after selling off for days. investors bailing out and taking a big capital gains before higher taxes. is there more at work here? have we fallen out of love with the beloved land? cheryl: plan layoffs increasing for the third straight month. tomorrow we need to look at the big number, the government number. coming up a unique
largest tax cut company in the world. australia had a really strong tax season. a loss of $0.39 a share. they do typically take a loss in this particular quarter because it is not the most busy time for doing taxes. they said they are very optimistic heading into the tax season. this stock looking pretty good. up 3.5%, up 10% for the year. connell: thank you very much. dagen: they were in love and then they weren't, with apple. they have gone gold, investors. for good. connell: cheryl and...
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we will accept some tax increases. but let's remember, there are some very important details to be worked out. how much and when. will they just say, okay, we will stand aside while democrats pass this tax cut for the middle class and then let the tax cuts for the wealthy engs pyre? that could happen. but does it happen before the end of the year? does it happen after the end of the year? >> now, dana, on that point, a lot of this is that they seem to have already lost the american public. in a new series of polls. quinnipiac shows that americans have views close to the president. 65% say raise taxes on $250,000 plus. 85% of polls pledged against raising taxes. that's 85%. 51% think that the gop is negotiating in bad faith. so the public seems to be gone from the republican cause. >> right. by two to one in virtually all of these polls we are seeing that they are likely to blame the republicans if the fiscal cliff is reached. and i think you've seen president obama going around the country, as with that family and the
we will accept some tax increases. but let's remember, there are some very important details to be worked out. how much and when. will they just say, okay, we will stand aside while democrats pass this tax cut for the middle class and then let the tax cuts for the wealthy engs pyre? that could happen. but does it happen before the end of the year? does it happen after the end of the year? >> now, dana, on that point, a lot of this is that they seem to have already lost the american...
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when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then individuals who have been filing their businesses as s-corporations or pass-through corporations can incorporate and get that lower rate. they can negotiate on the individual rates. >> so you don't think the ordinary income, then, the 39.6% that we're talking about, in that case, would apply to small business. they would fall under the corporate tax rate. >> yes, exactly. people forget that until 1986, corporate and individual rates were separate. a big part of the '86 act was to equalize them. there's a big difference between 2012 and 1986. only 17% of our economy was related to trade in '86. last year in
when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then...
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state taxes went up. they are now higher than both new york city as well as hawaii. >> when it comes to jobs being added different numbers, 118,000. >> this is the first week of the month we get a lot of jobs data. storm event coming in when i say storm literally we will see the effects of super storm sandy. private job creation says businesses added 118,000 jobs in november. if it were not for sandy that number would have been north of 200,000. adt may have a stronger jobs report that's the big one economists look at. we expect 93,000 nonfarm jobs have been created last month. the numbers are weak and they suggest it's not just a storm but it is worried about the fiscal cliff holding businesses back from hiring. >> business owners and other people on e-mail which is most of us. when you are reading the e-mails and writing them you rate changes. >> pay attention i guess. do you hold your breath when you are reading an e-mail. it is e-mail apnea. study shows 80 percent of folks have it. when you hold your
state taxes went up. they are now higher than both new york city as well as hawaii. >> when it comes to jobs being added different numbers, 118,000. >> this is the first week of the month we get a lot of jobs data. storm event coming in when i say storm literally we will see the effects of super storm sandy. private job creation says businesses added 118,000 jobs in november. if it were not for sandy that number would have been north of 200,000. adt may have a stronger jobs report...
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as i said the entire tax code is becoming a tax incentive. where you draw the line the amt usually goes to tax incentive bills and the fact the senate finance tax bills this year, the senate didn't pass it, the finance committee passed it and included tax extenders and the ones you went over but also included the amt patch indexing to inflation. >> so if these tax extenders have to be dealt with by the end of the year and in the fiscal cliff negotiation, what are the options for congress right now on december -- what is it the sixth today? >> these are kind of an afterthought at this point because often, as i said, all these are extended for your or two at a time. they talk about trying to make the list shorter, but if they have to, december 29th, they need to pass something, all they have to do is pass everything for a year and it won't costs so much. they get to this after figuring out the bigger question. >> host: they can do in one bill? text extenders and list the different -- >> guest: you will go in the big fiscal compromise and you wo
as i said the entire tax code is becoming a tax incentive. where you draw the line the amt usually goes to tax incentive bills and the fact the senate finance tax bills this year, the senate didn't pass it, the finance committee passed it and included tax extenders and the ones you went over but also included the amt patch indexing to inflation. >> so if these tax extenders have to be dealt with by the end of the year and in the fiscal cliff negotiation, what are the options for congress...
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our tax revenues are down. historically they have been about 18 to 19% of the gross domestic product. part of that is the recession, but significant loss of revenue is because of the bush tax policies, and it was based on this idealogical fiction if you lower taxes it will increase revenues. and their focus was lowering taxes at the high end. we had higher tax rates under clinton, and we created 40 million jobs and had a surplus. then the bush folks came in put the war on the credit card prescription drugs on the credit card, and lowered taxes at the high end, and we had only 700,000 jobs, and had astonishing deficits since then. >> stephanie: the same l.a. times piece even makes that case with the war in afghanistan winding down, the military is asking for less than congress wants to give. so i think there has been so much hysteria over this fiscal cliff that i'm not sure it's warranted. >> that's exactly right. and also the ryan budget you know, their doctrine -- and it really is doctrining. lower taxes for t
our tax revenues are down. historically they have been about 18 to 19% of the gross domestic product. part of that is the recession, but significant loss of revenue is because of the bush tax policies, and it was based on this idealogical fiction if you lower taxes it will increase revenues. and their focus was lowering taxes at the high end. we had higher tax rates under clinton, and we created 40 million jobs and had a surplus. then the bush folks came in put the war on the credit card...